Posts Tagged ‘Videotron’

Rogers reduces bandwidth caps on two of its plans

Sunday, August 15th, 2010

It’s been about 6 months since Rogers ceased to be competitive as an internet provider. Based on their prices and speeds at the time, there was no reason for anyone to consider Rogers as their ISP. I expected them to do something about it much faster, but they seemed to be content to not offer a competitive product.

Their strangest product was Extreme, which had the same download speed as Express, and justified its $13 premium by doubling the upload speed to a mere 1 Mbps, and increasing the bandwidth cap to 95 GB. Extreme just didn’t seem to make any sense, and it left Rogers without a Tier V internet speed. The logical thing for them to do was to increase the speed to compete with Fibe 16.

So, half a year later, Rogers has finally increased the download speed of Extreme to 15 Mbps. At the same time, they reduced the bandwidth cap to 80 GB. Leaving the bandwidth cap at 95 GB would have been the one thing that made it more attractive than Fibe 16, but instead the products are now essentially identical.

At the same time, Rogers reduced the bandwidth cap of their Lite service by a whopping 40% to 15 GB. That’s still much more than competing Tier II products, but they needed that extra bandwidth to justify the higher price and much lower upload speed. Bell’s Essential Plus still uploads more than 3 times faster than Lite, and for less money. And believe it or not, I’ve been living with a 2 GB bandwidth cap, without exceeding it, for several months now.

Since moving to Quebec, I’ve been on Videotron’s Basic service. I don’t know if it’s because of the apartment building, or what the explanation is, but apparently Videotron isn’t able to properly throttle my internet speed, so I can upload at 1 Mbps while paying for the Basic service. After living with Rogers’ 512 Kbps service for years, it’s wonderful to finally have a decent upload speed. With a 2 GB bandwidth cap, I no longer download large files, but I haven’t had to make any major sacrifices yet.

So, Videotron is for real, and I’ve added them to the service chart for comparison.

Bell in Blue, Rogers in Red, Videotron in Dark Yellow

Tier Service Price Speed Cap
VII None
Ultimate $99.99+7.00 50 Mbps/2 Mbps 175 GB
Ultimate 50 $81.95 50 Mbps/1 Mbps 125 GB
VI Fibe 25 $67.95+6.95 25 Mbps/7 Mbps 75 GB
Extreme Plus $69.99+7.00 25 Mbps/1 Mbps 125 GB
Ultimate 30 $65.95 30 Mbps/1 Mbps 100 GB
V Fibe 16 $61.95+3.95 16 Mbps/1 Mbps 75 GB
Extreme $59.99+3.00 15 Mbps/1 Mbps 80 GB
Ultimate 15 $54.95 15 Mbps/1 Mbps 60 GB
IV Fibe 12 $51.95+3.95 12 Mbps/1 Mbps 50 GB
Express $46.99+3.00 10 Mbps/512 Kbps 60 GB
None
III Fibe 6 $41.95+3.95 6 Mbps/1 Mbps 25 GB
Performance $41.95+3.95 6 Mbps/1 Mbps 25 GB
None
High-Speed $42.95 7.5 Mbps/820 Kbps 30 GB
II Essential Plus $31.95+3.95 2 Mbps/800 Kbps 2 GB
Lite $35.99+3.00 3 Mbps/256 Kbps 15 GB
Basic $27.95 2.5 Mbps/400 Kbps 3 GB
I None
Ultra Lite $27.99+3.00 500 Kbps/256 Kbps 2 GB
None

The first thing you’ll notice is that Videotron doesn’t charge a modem rental, so the price they list is actually the price! This is so refreshingly, astonishingly honesty that I’m almost at a loss for words. Then my joy turns to anger: how dare Rogers and Bell not be this upfront about the cost of their services? It’s the same bullshit with their cell phone plans. Everyone should list the full price of their product upfront; it should be the law.

Starting at the bottom of the chart, you’ll see that Videotron doesn’t offer a “high-speed” internet option in Tier I, though they do offer dial-up. Rogers is the only ISP that thinks that 500 Kbps still qualifies as high-speed. It boggles the mind, doesn’t it?

Videotron’s Basic service costs the same as Rogers’ Ultra Lite service ($3 less since there’s no modem rental), despite being 5 times faster for upload, 50% faster for download, and a 50% higher bandwidth cap. Videotron’s Tier II service is cheaper than Rogers’ Tier I service! It otherwise fits nicely between Roger’s Lite and Bell’s Essential Plus in terms of download and upload speeds, though for considerably less money ($8 less than Bell and $8/$11 less than Rogers, depending on whether or not you own your modem).

Rogers still doesn’t have a Tier III service, which is baffling when you consider that this must be the core market segment. How can they not afford to have a product in the sweet spot for speed and price? As a shareholder, I really want to kick someone at Rogers in the ass.

Anyway, Videotron is king of Tier III, coming in 25% faster for downloads, 16% higher bandwidth cap, about 20% slower for uploads, but $3 cheaper per month. Bell’s faster upload speed could definitely be worth more to some people than a 25% faster download speed, but with the higher bandwidth cap and lower price, I’d still probably stick with Videotron. I don’t know if I’d notice the difference in upload speeds all that much, but the extra bandwidth and extra money in my bank account would be nice.

Videotron doesn’t have a Tier IV service, but the progression from 7.5 Mbps to 15 Mbps does seem logical. Frankly, Tier IV seems like a pretty useless tier. It just makes sense for each tier to double in speed. Where’s Videotron’s Tier III product was basically Tier 3.5, I can forgive this omission.

Videotron’s Ultimate 15 service is the first one to not show a clear advantage over Bell. While Ultimate 15 is the cheapest Tier V service, it also has the lowest bandwidth cap by 15 to 20 GB. If you can live with that, it’s $11 cheaper than Bell and $5/$8 cheaper than Rogers. I was living with a 60 GB cap under Rogers’ Express service, so I could live under Ultimate 15′s cap.

Ultimate 30, on the other hand, is a tough sell. On the one hand, it’s extremly cheap, coming in $9 cheaper than Bell and $4/$11 cheaper than Rogers. In fact, Ultimate 30 is only $1 more than Fibe 16, despite downloading twice as fast and having a 33% faster download speed. There is no reason for anyone to buy Fibe 16 if they Ultimate 30 is available to them. As a Tier VI competitor, though, the download speed is 20% faster than Rogers and Bell, but the bandwidth cap is 25 GB lower than Rogers’ Extreme Plus service. While the bandwidth cap is 25 GB higher than Fibe 25, Fibe 25′s upload speed is 7 times faster! To be sure, $75 per month is a lot higher than $66, but the upload speed is 7 times faster! I can’t help but drool at the thought of how much time I could save while uploading thousands of files totalling more than 2 GB to my website with Fibe 25. RGB Classic Games has about 2.5 GB worth of files. For comparison:

2.5 GB @ 512 Kbps = 11.4 hours
2.5 GB @ 1 Mbps = 5.7 hours
2.5 GB @ 7 Mbps = 49 minutes

So, as a webmaster uploading a website, the difference between Fibe 16 and any other product available in Canada (except for Rogers’s absurdly priced Ultimate plan) is the difference between tying up my internet connection all day and uploading in the background while I watch an episode of Firefly on DVD or Blu-Ray.

Moving on to Tier VII, Videotron is $18/$25 per month cheaper than a competing service that is so expensive that only a handful people could possibly subscribe to. Based on the price difference, I suspect that a small number of people actually subscribe to Ultimate 50, but should they? Rogers’ Ultimate service has double the upload speed and an extra 50 GB of bandwidth. Again, for myself, I would choose Fibe 25 over either of them, even it wasn’t $7 cheaper than Videotron and $32/$39 cheaper than Rogers, just for the 7 Mbps upload speed. It is absurd that a Tier VI product is 3.5 to 7 times faster than the two Tier VII products. For that kind of money, would you not expect the ultimate internet experience? Again, that 75 GB cap is scary, being 50 GB lower than Videotron and 100 GB lower than Rogers, but if you can live with that limit, no one should consider buying Ultimate or Ultimate 50.

Why Britain’s DPI plans will hurt everyone

Sunday, January 3rd, 2010

A commenter from my previous entry mentioned that Quebec cable provider Videotron doesn’t use Deep Packet Inspection, while Bell, Rogers and Telus do. It’s time to talk about what DPI is and why it matters.

I talked about throttling and Net Neutrality in a previous entry. The source of the debate is that ISPs are inspecting the packets (the discrete bursts of data that get sent over networks like the internet) to see what kind of data is being transmitted. If they see that the packets are from BitTorrent, they slow your internet access. BitTorrent can be used to stream both legal and illegal content, but concerns about copyright infringement have nothing to do with it.

When you download a file from a website, your download speed will be limited to their upload speed. Even if it’s from Microsoft, you’ll probably get stuck at around 10 Mbps, even if you have a 50 Mbps connection. BitTorrent, on the other hand, breaks a file into blocks and allows you to download the file from dozens of people at the same time, increasing the odds that you’ll be able to download at the maximum speed that you’re paying for. It also allows you to share files with dozens of people at a time, increasing the odds that you’ll be able to upload at the maximum speed that you’re paying for.

The key words here are “paying for”. ISPs lure customers with promises of super fast download speeds that they won’t normally have to deliver, through no fault of their own, because you can only download as fast as the other person can upload. But if everyone were using BitTorrent, then the ISPs would actually have to deliver the speeds that you’re paying for, and they can’t handle that much bandwidth! Like an overbooked flight, ISPs have sold more bandwidth than they can actually deliver. If too many people use all of the bandwidth that they paid for at any given time, the ISPs won’t be able to handle all of the traffic, and they’ll have to buy more routing and switching equipment. That added expense would reduce profit margins from ridiculous to slightly less ridiculous, so you can understand why this would be bad.

Throttling is really the only concern I have about DPI at the moment, and I’m still hoping that the CRTC will ban the practice in Canada. You have every right to get the speeds that you paid for, and ISPs can’t arbitrarily decide what you can and can’t do with your internet connection.

DPI is about to be used for far more troubling purposes in the United Kingdom, however. The UK has put forth legislation to force ISPs to use Deep Packet Inspection to search for copyright infringement so that they can kick people off of the internet after three strikes. Obviously I have serious concerns about legislators in Canada deciding to use DPI the same way here.

This is a privacy issue, and when it comes to privacy, there are usually two camps: those who say that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about, and those who say that the government/your ISP shouldn’t be snooping on you, period. Here’s how I feel about it. (more…)

Pigs fly: Rogers rolling out 50 Mbps internet service

Sunday, August 23rd, 2009

Much to my surprise, despite having a monopoly over cable internet access within their service area and, therefore, no incentive, Rogers is bringing 50 Mbps internet service to Canadian cities outside of Quebec. Toronto is the only city getting the service for now, though other large cities may get it in the future. Remember when I mentioned that I wasn’t going to buy my DOCSIS 2.0 modem to eliminate the monthly rental fee because it would soon be obsolete? Well, today’s the day: you need a DOCSIS 3.0 modem to use the new service.

The Extreme Plus service has also been bumped from 18 Mbps to 25 Mbps, the bandwidth cap has increased from 95 GB to 125 GB per month, and the price has dropped from $99.95 to $95.95 per month. Woah, wait a second! The 25 Mbps service is still $95.95? So how much does the 50 Mbps service cost? $149.99 per month.

Okay, try to breathe. I mean, yes, it does cost $60.04 per month more than Videotron’s $89.95 50 Mbps service that has been available in Quebec for years, but Rogers doesn’t compete with Videotron! The one and only advantage that Rogers’ new Ultimate service offers over Videotron is that the upload speed on Ultimate is 2 Mbps, while Videotron’s Ultimate 50 service only uploads at 1 Mbps. Rogers has become the first major ISP in Canada to offer a 2 Mbps upload service. Is that worth $60 per month? Of course not, but Rogers is a cable monopoly and if they decided to charge $200 per month, what are you going to do, move to Quebec?

Anyway, here’s the updated Rogers service list, with the much cheaper services from Videotron for comparison.

Rogers

Service Price Speed Cap Overage cost
Ultimate $149.99 50 Mbps/2 Mbps 175 GB $0.50/GB
Extreme Plus $95.95+3.00 25 Mbps/1 Mbps 125 GB $1.25/GB
Extreme $59.99+3.00 10 Mbps/1 Mbps 95 GB $1.50/GB
Express $46.99+3.00 10 Mbps/512 Kbps 60 GB $2.00/GB
Lite $35.99+3.00 3 Mbps/256 Kbps 25 GB $2.50/GB
Ultra Lite $25.99+3.00 500 Kbps/256 Kbps 2 GB $5.00/GB

Videotron

Service Price Speed Cap Overage cost
Ultimate 50 $89.95 50 Mbps/1 Mbps 100 GB $1.50/GB
Ultimate 30 $74.95 30 Mbps/1 Mbps 70 GB $1.50/GB
Extreme Plus $89.95 20 Mbps/1 Mbps 30 GB $7.95/GB
Extreme $74.90 10 Mbps/900 Kbps 100 GB $1.50/GB
High-Speed $61.95 7.5 Mbps/820 Kbps 30 GB $7.95/GB
Basic $32.95 600 Kbps/128 Kbps 2 GB $7.95/GB

So, a 50/2 Mbps service is finally available in Canada! Let’s see how that compares with Verizon’s FiOS in the United States.

Verizon FiOS

Service Price Speed
Fastest $144.95 50 Mbps/50 Mbps
Faster Plus $69.95 20 Mbps/20 Mbps
Faster $59.95 20 Mbps/5 Mbps
Fast $49.99 10 Mbps/2 Mbps

Interesting. So, for the same price as Rogers’ 50/2 Mbps service, Verizon’s service is 50 Mbps in both directions! Four cents less per month, and 25 times faster upload speeds. Jealous yet? Even their $59.95 “Faster” plan offers 5 Mbps upload speed — 10 times what I get currently — which would make me the happiest webmaster in the world. Their “Fast” service, which is identically priced to the Rogers Express service that I get, still has a 4 times faster upload speed. Once again, the slower upload speeds available in Canada are not technical limitations of the DSL specification or DOCSIS 2/3 standard, but are part of Canadian ISPs’ efforts to reduce costs by limiting file sharing speeds. I’m pretty sure that Verizon is making a profit, so this is really just a symptom of the lack of competition in Canada.

Finally, an interesting note about anyone planning to get Rogers’ new 25 or 50 Mbps services: Customers will reportedly be required to purchase a combination router and wireless-N gateway for $200, since many older routers appear to have problems with the new DOCSIS 3.0 cable modems. I suppose that’s not very expensive if you were willing to pay $100 or $150 per month for internet service, but it certainly should give any potential customer a moment of hesitation. If a piece of equipment is required to provide a service, the service provider should put that equipment in your home for free and take it back when you cancel your service. If you don’t return the equipment, then they can charge you for it!

The sad state of the internet in Canada

Saturday, April 4th, 2009

I’ve gotten two phone calls in the last few days to advise me of “changes” to the bandwidth caps on my high-speed internet service. If you live in the United States, or frequent American technology forums, you’ve probably noticed how angry Americans are about Comcast and Time Warner Cable imposing bandwidth caps on their customers. Comcast appears to be rolling out a 250 GB per month limit, while TWC has a variable cap that goes no higher than 40 GB per month. It was easy to shrug off a 250 GB cap when I live in a country that has imposed caps one quarter of that size for years, but a 40 GB maximum cap is… well… it would render the internet useless.

I’m trying to imagine how companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Netflix are going to be able to sell their download services when people have a 40 GB monthly bandwidth limit. And let’s not forget that television networks like NBC believe so strongly that they can sell episodes of their most popular shows as downloads on iTunes or Amazon that they were willing to allow their writers to go on strike for over 100 days rather than back down over the writers’ demand for a cut of download and DVD business. The American television industry collapsed over the issue, so both sides obviously believe that television over the internet is the future, but Time Warner Cable clearly isn’t going to let that happen.

On any given technology forum, Americans complain about their fear of the caps coming to their city, or their anger that it has already happened, and people from around the world tell them how lucky they are to live in a country that has such reasonable caps.

It’s certainly true that some countries have pathetically slow internet speeds at outrageous prices with unacceptable bandwidth limits. And that includes wealthy, Western nations. Australia, I’m looking in your direction. Meanwhile, Europe and Japan have 20, 50 and 100 Mbps internet for the same price or less than what we pay in North America. Pretty scary, isn’t it? The reason always ends up being the same: because cable companies own the cable lines, there is only one cable carrier in any part of the continent. Wherever you live in Canada or the US, you generally have a choice between two internet providers: the phone company and the cable company. They choose not to compete with each other, and offer the same speeds at the same price. There are, of course, internet resellers who use the phone company and the cable company’s lines, but they rarely offer better prices, don’t offer higher speeds, and can’t offer bundles. Then there are millions of North Americans who live in areas that don’t have cable, so the phone company has a monopoly on high-speed internet. There are even millions of people who can’t get high-speed internet from their phone company. Dial-up is alive and well in North America!

In the face of the growing consumer furore over bandwidth caps in the United States, I decided to compare the services of the two main internet providers in Canada. Once again, you have two options: the phone company and the cable company. The phone company is Bell, and there are three major cable companies: Rogers, Cogeco and Shaw. Rogers is, by far, the largest cable provider, so let’s use them to represent cable.

To be fair, and for the sake of simplicity, all prices are the regular price and don’t include bundle discounts. (more…)